good at all sorts of small needlework greater than there is mining. tavis: you mentioned bill clinton, who has had a renaissance, and his numbers are as high-end as they have ever been. his numbers are often higher. he has been our point person on this project since the earthquake happened. assess with me how he has done. >> he could not get done the things he would like to get done. he was on the interim commission for the recovery of haiti, and that was almost no as on the commission that lasted for two years. he raised a lot of money for president bush, and they spent about four loans of small businesses, and maybe that is a good idea, but they were the same kinds of businesses. they use earthquake money to do the same kinds of programs. clinton has a long relationship with haiti. the people he knows are not the most imaginative. they are the elite. that is normal. he is a former u.s. president. he does not get down and 30 in the shanty towns, but he needs to have people do that if he is going to continue. >> who is going to get down and dirty? >> i have a doctor. she is wonderful,

in afghanistan and reinvest tremendously in asia. secretary clinton's first trip as secretary of state was to asia. that's the first time a secretary of state has taken his or her first trip to asia since dean rusk in 1961. and from then on she just kept on pushing our efforts and our efforts in asia. you look at her work with as on. you look at her work on the south china sea. you look at her work with burma in terms of bringing burma not community of democracy, potentially. right? that's a good list of contributions. >> tom donilon national security advisor to president obama as they enter the second four years of that tenure in the white house. thank you for joining us. see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org tavis: good evening. smiley. tonight a conversation with the longest serving independent in congressional history, bernie sanders. he is a member of the senate budget committee, which puts him at the front seat of the budget battles. last week congress voted do we devoted to temporarily suspend the d

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